Important Note:
The following article is the translation of the cariba breeding process achieved by Yener Alkay (member of http://www.piranhalar.com) with his own words. The original message can be reached from the following link. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18111 Also, you can write your comments on the following links: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18232 and viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17651

Cariba Breeding Process

I have done different kinds of fish breeding especially Pygocentrus Nattereri species many times up until now. I have been thinking about using the methods that i used breeding nattereri, and try to breed other piranha species that haven't been bred yet. I bought 6 Caribes that are around one and a half years old from Ömer Faruk KANBAK who is a member of Turkey's Piranha Forum(http://www.piranhalar.com). I started breeding trials at 01/November/2010. At first, I separated 2 of them thinking that the tank is overcrowded for a successful breeding and I did go on with 4 caribes. After a week ( November 8 ) I had two engaged pairs as you can see in the first video, one pair holding place at right and the other at left. They were not allowing each other into their territory. I observed that their colors started to be reformed and they began to get into action.

Videos (October 8,2010)


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Videos (November 13,2010)


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Mating ritual on November 13,2010 - no eggs at that time


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Eggs at last! and Male guarding the eggs on January 1, 2011


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Siphoning the eggs from the tank - January2,2011


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Pictures of Baby Caribas on January 7, 2011







Information about the breeding tank:
Size: 220*70*70 (cm)
Water temp: 30-31 (degree Celcius)
Ph: 5.5-6.0
Light: Metal Halide
Gravel: Cracked Lava pieces
Decor: Mangrow Wood


Yener's Comments:

This fish (p. cariba) loves the flow. The light from the metal halide lamp used for this tank’s lightning is not given to the tank directly. Instead, I have used fabric to cover the top of the steam glass on top of the tank which reduces the light.

Daily water changes are absolutely necessary for caribas. Although I haven’t done this on purpose, I observed and figured out the positive effects of daily water changes while I was transferring water from main tank to my p. nattereri fry tank. I was using fresh water to cover the descending water from the main tank.

Ph is very important and it affects the survival of the eggs directly. The eggs are not as strong as nattereri eggs, thus they don't survive if the ph is not right. The fungal disease for some of the fries has been observed. Cariba eggs are not as durable as p. nattereri’s, so Ph plays one of the most important roles for a successful hatching. The methods for caribas are similar to that are used in discus breeding; Daily fresh water!

Caribas are fed every day. Maybe it is not rational, since there is a huge protein boost. However, if the fish is well fed, it will pay back with a present.

I mainly use CO2 for stabling the Ph level. Sump and using high quality filter media in the sump is another important necessity. Sump filtration should be biological rather than mechanical. Peat pellets (Torf peat) is a must in the sump. This is very important.

Lamp used for this tank’s lightning is not given to the tank directly. Instead, I have used fabric to cover the top of the steam glass on top of the tank which reduces the light.




Other pictures:





update as of February 6,2011
1 month old baby caribes:





New babies (1-2 days old):




This message will be updated with the new baby and juvenile cariba pictures.

Translation: Barış Uzmay and Dorukan Türkmen
Great Honor by breeding caribas: Yener Alkay

Piranha-Fury, piranahforum.co.uk ve piranha-cove'a mesaj eklendi. Piranha central'da çok fazla mesaj için resim ve video kısıtlaması var. Modlarıyla yazışıyorum. Oraya da en kısa sürede eklenecek.

http://www.piranha-fury.com/pfury/index ... -breeding/
http://www.piranhaforum.co.uk/forums/in ... opic=16828
http://www.piranha-cove.com/forum1/inde ... pid=79628&

Good job and thank you very much for the translation

İyi iş ve çeviri için de çok teşekkürler.

Yener, is it allright with you if I translate it (as accurate as possible) to Dutch and host it on the Dutch forums ? Of course I won't change a word and include names and links.
It will be posted in the "scientific" section we have, so it'll be as accurate as possible to keep it factual information

@moderators / admins :

Can I use this image to link to piranhalar in it ?



Yener, mümkün oldugunca doğru olarak bunu Hollandaca'ya (flemenkçe) çevirip, Hollanda forumlarında yayınlamam senin için uygun olur mu? İsim ve linkler dahil hiç bir kelimesini değiştirmeyeceğim tabi ki. Bu mesaj bilimsel" bölümümüzde yayınlanacak ve mümkün olduğunca gerçek bilgiye dayanan doğrulukta olacak.

Moderatör ve adminlere:
Bu resmi piranhalar'a link vermek amacıyla kullanabilir miyim?

Of course, use

Thank you for translations nameless.

Thanks a lot

I translated it to the Dutch forums as accurate as possible : http://nl.piranha-fury.com/forum/index. ... pic=110240

With only a small addition : I'd like to thank and pay respect to several members of the Turkish forum for translating some of my comments in the discussion topics.
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Çok teşekkürler.
Mümkün olduğunca aslına sadık olarak Hollanda forumlarında çeviriyi yaptım: http://nl.piranha-fury.com/forum/index. ... pic=110240

Küçük bir ekleme ile beraber: Türk forumundaki bazı üyelere, müzakere konularındaki görüşlerimin çevirisini yapmalarından dolayı teşekkür edip, saygılarımı sunmak istiyorum. Bunu çok takdir ediyorum.

Thank you also in gif

Yener, in the Jim Smith story he mentions that the simulation of wet and dry season helped him get the job done. Did you simulate a dry season by reducing water levels and lowering filtration ?
If not, do you think with that simulation he more or less accidentaly got the lower pH that seems to be the key factor ?

Lucien


Yener, Jim Smith'in hikayesinde (cariba ürettiği belirtilen diğer bir kişi) Kurak ve yağmur sezonu similasyonunun başarıya ulaşmasına yardımcı olduğunu belirtmişti. Su seviyesini azaltıp, filtrasyonu kısarak kurak iklim similasyonu yaptın mı? Eğer yapmadıysan, bu similasyon sayesinde kazara veya değil ph seviyesini düşürmüş olabilir mi, ki bu anahtar faktör olarak gözüküyor?

Combichrist zaten key ph ve kuraklık similasyonu.Ph sürekli kontrolümde.5.4-5.6 aralığında Su tazelemelerde ph yükseliyor lakin kimyasal kullanımıyla bunu tekrar düzenliyorum.Takviye olarak peat lullanıyorum.Filtreleme sistemim kendimce en iyisi.Mekanikten ziyade biolojik döngüye önem veriyorum.KH zaten ph la doğru orantılı.Nitrat sıfır diyebilirim olması zaten imkansız.Nasıl sıfırlamamız gerektiğini anlatmama gerek yok sanırım.Kuraklığı doğrudan uygulamadım.Dolaylı olarak.Onuda anlatayım.Hangi yurt dışı forumunda yazdığımı hatırlamıyorum ama sizede söyleyeyim.Günlük 4-5 kova su ana tanktan alıp Çeşmeden tamamlıyorum.Evet bildiğimiz şebeke suyundan soğuk su 5-10 dakka sonrada balıkları yemliyorum.Zaten wild yaşamdada doğal hayatındada böyle değilmi.Kuraklık başlar sular çekilir azalır gıdalarını alamazlar sonrasında yağmurlar başlar sular serinler ve yem bolluğu başlar.Ben bu günlük su tazelememi kuraklığa benzetirim.İllaki belirli zaman içerisinde balık kendince bu aralıkların birinde kuraklığı ve yağmur mevsimini yaşadığını zannedecektir.

Thank you for translating nameless.

Sounds reasonable Yener What chemicals are you using for pH control ? Over here in Holland I only know about Sera pH-minus.

To order:sera süper peat
Adjusting for:Mıcrobe-lift
Enough to use them.PH control is very important.I want to use alongside their biological filter

Very nicely done. Congratulations on the breeding and the well-written translation in English. Its finally nice to see a well documented article. For many years Jim Smith endured many negative comments because he didn't document his cariba breeding. Many nay sayers did their best to discredit Jim and in some cases even me for even believing Jim. All that I can say is, I feel very vindicated as will Jim.

Best fishes to all,
Frank